Im exklusiven bvik-Interview erklärt der Kampagnen-Experte Julius van de Laar, einer der hochkarätigen Speaker beim TAG DER INDUSTRIEKOMMUNIKATION 2020 des Bundesverband Industrie Kommunikation (bvik), was er an der deutschen Ingenieurkunst schätzt und wie Hidden Champions zu Gestaltern der Zukunft werden. Außerdem erläutert er, warum die Corona-Krise nicht nur ein größeres Zusammengehörigkeitsgefühl auslöst, sondern auch den US-Wahlkampf beeinflussen wird.
Julius van de Laar ist Kampagnen- und Strategieberater mit langjähriger, internationaler Kampagnenerfahrung. Im US-Wahlkampf 2012 leitete Julius van de Laar hauptamtlich als Regional GOTV Director den Bereich Wählermobilisierung für Barack Obama im wahlentscheidenden Schlüsselstaat Ohio. Zuvor hatte er sich 2007 und 2008 ev jwm KHM eqk wldikozbjcorzu Coikxlabcxf bqc Vqxyoh Ouufu gr Oyntcqdfgossrnbpeemnytknq enahxcghq.
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Julius van de Laar ist Kampagnen- und Strategieberater mit langjähriger, internationaler Kampagnenerfahrung. Im US-Wahlkampf 2012 leitete Julius van de Laar hauptamtlich als Regional GOTV Director den Bereich Wählermobilisierung für Barack Obama im wahlentscheidenden Schlüsselstaat Ohio. Zuvor hatte er sich 2007 und 2008 ev jwm KHM eqk wldikozbjcorzu Coikxlabcxf bqc Vqxyoh Ouufu gr Oyntcqdfgossrnbpeemnytknq enahxcghq.
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