Interview mit dem Geschäftsführer des Instituts für Nachhaltiges Management (ifnm) in Bonn, Dr. Michael Lendle, zu Verständnis und Anforderungen von Nachhaltiger Tierhaltung
?: Herr Dr. Lendle, das ifnm hat gerade in Hannover eine viel beachtete Veranstaltung zum Thema "Nachhaltige Tierhaltung" durchgeführt. Was ist unter diesem Begriff eigentlich zu verstehen?
Dr. Michael Lendle: Unter Nachhaltiger Tierhaltung verstehen wir grundsätzlich einen tiergerechten Umgang mit Nutztieren. Um jedoch Streitigkeiten über Definitionen von "artgerecht" oder "tiergerecht" zu vermeiden, sprechen wir von Haltungsformen, bei denen das Wohl und die Gesundheit der Tiere im Mittelpunkt steht.
?: Was unterscheidet Nachhaltige Tierhaltung vom gesetzlich verankerten Tierschutz?
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?: Herr Dr. Lendle, das ifnm hat gerade in Hannover eine viel beachtete Veranstaltung zum Thema "Nachhaltige Tierhaltung" durchgeführt. Was ist unter diesem Begriff eigentlich zu verstehen?
Dr. Michael Lendle: Unter Nachhaltiger Tierhaltung verstehen wir grundsätzlich einen tiergerechten Umgang mit Nutztieren. Um jedoch Streitigkeiten über Definitionen von "artgerecht" oder "tiergerecht" zu vermeiden, sprechen wir von Haltungsformen, bei denen das Wohl und die Gesundheit der Tiere im Mittelpunkt steht.
?: Was unterscheidet Nachhaltige Tierhaltung vom gesetzlich verankerten Tierschutz?
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?: Awa jtwtt, Tso mptqtexljx csjb Ehhqsekvmegsenuo?
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