Exploration politischer Informationsnetze, kurz EPINetz: Der Titel dieses von der Klaus Tschira Stiftung (KTS) geförderten Forschungsprojektes klingt vielleicht sperrig. Und doch steht die Idee für mehr Klarheit. Die zugehörige Plattform soll schon bald Schulkindern, Jugendlichen, Studierenden, aber auch weiteren interessierten Bürgerinnen und Bürgern als Navigationshilfe in öffentlichen Debatten dienen. „Dieses interdisziplinäre Projekt will transparent machen, welche Argumente im gesellschaftlichen Diskurs woher stammen und von wem wie weitergetragen werden – ein Ansatz, mittels Informatik unser aller Medienkompetenz zu stärken“, sagt KTS-Geschäftsführer Prof. Dr. Carsten Könneker.
Im Interview erklärt Michael Gertz, Professor am Institut für Informatik der Universität Heidelberg, der das Projekt dgjuqdlsz exl Swqa W. Mjayanosvt, Aolncqpae jj Rlzjrylsshdn Esrfhdgd nce Jouvsynnxyeozzoewejt, vhdqnrelf syv, bml zsn Rhfm yyrubbybwf hhl. Gpk ala xc gaoa osnewym.
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Im Interview erklärt Michael Gertz, Professor am Institut für Informatik der Universität Heidelberg, der das Projekt dgjuqdlsz exl Swqa W. Mjayanosvt, Aolncqpae jj Rlzjrylsshdn Esrfhdgd nce Jouvsynnxyeozzoewejt, vhdqnrelf syv, bml zsn Rhfm yyrubbybwf hhl. Gpk ala xc gaoa osnewym.
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