Das Projekt „Informatics for Life“ liegt vielen Menschen im wahrsten Sinne des Wortes am Herzen. Nicht nur Professor Hugo A. Katus, dem langjährigen medizinischen Direktor der Kardiologie des Universitätsklinikums Heidelberg und jetzigen Koordinator des Projekts, sondern auch der Klaus Tschira Stiftung, die es von Beginn an fördert. Es geht dabei um nicht weniger als den Brückenbau von der angewandten und derzeit üblichen Medizin hin zur digitalen Medizin und zum maschinellen Lernen und zurück in die Klinik. Und dabei steht stets das Wohl der Patientinnen und Patienten im Mittelpunkt aller Anstrengungen. Denn Krankheiten des Herz-Kreislaufsystems sind noch immer die Todesursache Nummer vhxz ruh got Lesl. Uxagce cd Noieco qkobamd 5.514 Qmvtdqal mai Dub mdddg.
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