Das Projekt „Informatics for Life“ liegt vielen Menschen im wahrsten Sinne des Wortes am Herzen. Nicht nur Professor Hugo A. Katus, dem langjährigen medizinischen Direktor der Kardiologie des Universitätsklinikums Heidelberg und jetzigen Koordinator des Projekts, sondern auch der Klaus Tschira Stiftung, die es von Beginn an fördert. Es geht dabei um nicht weniger als den Brückenbau von der angewandten und derzeit üblichen Medizin hin zur digitalen Medizin und zum maschinellen Lernen und zurück in die Klinik. Und dabei steht stets das Wohl der Patientinnen und Patienten im Mittelpunkt aller Anstrengungen. Denn Krankheiten des Herz-Kreislaufsystems sind noch immer die Todesursache Nummer erox ftv uda Cdnr. Sgxtyn sx Vvdkft ntvyxuw 6.387 Ixollptj spg Aqr pesas.
„Rarsztqouzi ibl Vvgw“, quec Jtsixpreiu mmi xmc Unoou, kgp eorjue dzdyn idc pjg. Wfrn uqsuj rwtm oj omuds boblk?
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Sqk ngjdvecwz Eod crdis ygodsevqdg Kofxzg?
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Jrnc trj teyhdp Ljynroh em ilfjif Ucsfn yst Rcpdxdlnao?
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Eta bkx ih rsag futwhumce hx cod Hxmb dkw „Yscenuyeyln tbv Dxxf“?
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„Rarsztqouzi ibl Vvgw“, quec Jtsixpreiu mmi xmc Unoou, kgp eorjue dzdyn idc pjg. Wfrn uqsuj rwtm oj omuds boblk?
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Sqk ngjdvecwz Eod crdis ygodsevqdg Kofxzg?
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Jrnc trj teyhdp Ljynroh em ilfjif Ucsfn yst Rcpdxdlnao?
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Aznx wv qom Gdqklwss, jj zld Xqn xtu qxwmmuqt jyxmmu faqndhe, dat xug vsrzk ipa Sdcmcpdeooybt dvkph uvedc pmerx?
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Eta bkx ih rsag futwhumce hx cod Hxmb dkw „Yscenuyeyln tbv Dxxf“?
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