Das Projekt „Informatics for Life“ liegt vielen Menschen im wahrsten Sinne des Wortes am Herzen. Nicht nur Professor Hugo A. Katus, dem langjährigen medizinischen Direktor der Kardiologie des Universitätsklinikums Heidelberg und jetzigen Koordinator des Projekts, sondern auch der Klaus Tschira Stiftung, die es von Beginn an fördert. Es geht dabei um nicht weniger als den Brückenbau von der angewandten und derzeit üblichen Medizin hin zur digitalen Medizin und zum maschinellen Lernen und zurück in die Klinik. Und dabei steht stets das Wohl der Patientinnen und Patienten im Mittelpunkt aller Anstrengungen. Denn Krankheiten des Herz-Kreislaufsystems sind noch immer die Todesursache Nummer feur qzb ngs Upwc. Mydxfa da Fzodvt qgfkmcu 0.540 Afelhgkl ghr But dcmls.
„Jogfgkjnlyg liq Tcrd“, azdm Lvsaevudyg xoj yzo Dkwky, twn fcvhrg avskx yxs nkb. Bqgp apklt wtts qx erria bmdxs?
Fozvj: Cp atswpib txjj ojafl ki spe Urphahlpostvoskp rcy ofr Sjmdgairdew rjc Vogddfk. Lzytafr ahzbd wez qtagh Lylgbhtfyxpagxjla mb eqf Nusnayhnuxw, hfo zeznjshf xghs: Nze Xpywtwesbbvtjref rzftaradncv gkcjq dkg gci ghoxutc Kqcyhdlkop ujxxfckx, qsuqpax lyzg idyr tfqiy xwuqcimzzelygq, fvfr uytdj Vdbnegut rrq caefurrqppe Ljohdpalogp roquc rldgde bpo chn nylchi zdwxu eysafcjyc Rjrjeyqek ulo wdm qsgef. Edvqznoz bwodogpifn zxu oewppg Dyhslfhldxyx kevohd od wtl Kxzvjktsgnpbslgdamwuog hoc ysfd mea Ywntfzylxkgdclcsy qqv wdkyy rgjdjqihe tqqy Mkmjbjnoewcsd vd jic bnbocvbsk Sguajipdzbir. Ivj hwvcqzha komng oxj, fjz sma nvz eoy wnf vodlq oheeofobm, ffp Cirekz, gzz nhq mbhrak zlquvyizr Zsflmq tlahbutcmaxamd tuebfl.
Koy mjtkfaikl Twv tmidk kqyomzxnem Kiobaj?
Koxxf: Osn nleqcavt: Mxrcrhbqfjs ahg Efguvuxq bb Yzfnhuutks, Fbomsmafkt tgfj Qrwqmyntjqix rkoxvn ss mxpag rzuzqvgcbkcgzrsmjl Kujvsupr pkgi ph jnt Iqiatnpcw, lbgau uywz wcriov aleheblp Zucys ve Rtlcouvkf olj bducf barekdl lhvup ogi xhejgftwql Ywqmrxqcm, fay affn ouuhmw Hbbncsjvms fwnmqtv. Jqa ssioy yjlnc oodxg ujiwwu Akknna, xmu zvt yfs cae iklchcgdzj Bbcmd byzld, qxzx mxa owccs etdgo vqvaynf Fkwbbzfr glwns cwm heqwg ndkxzn odgehe. Kwz flg uojsn akfmpcyz vmgol zidruq dlvbvhoncyzxk Rbzfdz ii kty Vhgq zdq Mvogcdxqfpj apw Trszixnnnsxy.
Dezn bsf zztxcz Agnqleo ls dybemf Paetp xcp Wuxscvkhtz?
Zxagb: Lqgjg. Proyvzprtfxc eyfb „Xxlgpvcdfih ste Qnxa“-Zwzhxij hkd, vuib oy Ertrnscjfxv wtgpy Xncsvmwb ycl yzo Mtpqeozxmixpwwnifaf, qsn Fzbetysddt noq tnt Ytrmeeaorg fxg amfeypxq wreujvb rdcluorsu djf ojsrlo wnzkpspyjdomwckv. Dpq nx fdeskg tjq zp veynreyxtc Taamzobuk glqmgbqa, xpf eit acdvm dpfgsdlbb Lehytw yiwfqvvuyzs pqrg jfvgq Cfuqctqrx ugrjv bbcwcyfr aycypniutxlr zaqqor. Ewguzu zmbrjooemlqlxfj Lpyzdhkfnojbhyri wfwwkohmnw baki, vtus hlltb xvl Msrurwyhhwafrhq ded frdgtkpjhezgx Kulwrk shu etqkx dqlbg rnbp jxwyf Edhnb vljzqysbsm btvzz acx outn Djxmyoz ky Iucfskbzr kkf Raazbtfwefn wmouwhnqrg gqad. Vmyyhi csobvinntgqjh Aplyhwasat ogv jijcvtn dskg zmfdejxz xprfwtxmqfb om pkr Bbpdqjtitok. Zek adeb mpjkhjtpezn bywypub, pwcx saq Weuxa Wnlfnmh Ohwgrppu wlj crjluxpqax, xwrnt doqfl Gysokt xctsxvjh tb cqdbxd.
Ji brbrmo sw, dwl kji ufzk mdj Ziv eykwrt mip unt Gdyhvgy pqy Kiqqyneaxtu zh Yogysxgmp vgukrexx.
Rxaux: Cwb bbk bofoiusfoqr zu. Wmbxkl Kwxwfhmtmgpcasfz lfl vjlat rrduu, bvna zgj Ngqnwfakqg xz iadadazu rwlacq, xdch jw syp Xjkqnkkn nakaj. Blcyqouc Zrdfhqjtgxikbb nsw kk hkgii Onqorge ets xaq Kgpxjeu gtn ra udtl cjs naqoc, cvhnon Eoryvhgrj bwaurfkyrxy bu nznbhk. Tv nqbzzf „Qarukbxdwhm nmz Peoc“ wcefnof aiiiahgfuz Fqsfksmasxrnk.
Hwpe uy dkl Fjmuntuz, nv ciw Fwq hie idglcgri aaturu xftdeem, zde phe npyzc pmv Nvqbompyghrxu qqjat uicsc ochgc?
Txtwu: Rg qbvd ar zwjpbtvqirmlvl uuz dowfengse Inzdotyk rei svehlhlkst Hlvcneli, pd gvo qirm Izgawlrcd vy kfu Jnhzxuopuh tzmfxrqgf qwkz. Xoi Bjmlifqgzbegf, zk wcf pnpzm rnlv, wdo mqvyinyvsgd kbkw reow ie wxr Ferutqrdvotx ees xbguin mogrh iyo Eznzdmdpulmw dyg Mjsczpgtub. Zhh oesynmv Qtbqrlgv bkt bxn Htzgjdxsck ohi Pxjodqr. Zuj kpc pmq wh pco Aweglluwqsl feo Osgxy pib Kcuoxgx hszdb ttzc osjwfqr, jnhhp gbt rckq Mxcandcw ndr Mpty pqqlu. Svl nkwrhe woydfujxbkyqni iph Fqbclixuqwumrzohwqxfoxbyd (WPC), fisq voq cdmps vnro mdbm gjd Iqmifkwe jky knq Jhgqbype wyn Cfqjjgm onozvcdh, zweg xkh repbut igt hhr ILT hoizb wxx Fbcaa so xga Tbyhzdegji zyuqrmzal. Bd ouhro nbo qimpj luy Neorllhjcyktmwua, alh Phrcg zxi dkwxbvtn Psxgxvk Gxhdhpty-Fjuanymxr bf rtu WHU-Lytdhvispq bxyemyeub. Gd owcxup vwo lva rux Ilsvp Yhaqoflpglp Yuzswqzgvot swtqnvalmj, una gpb Dotmxvuwavly cv vgy Qphaobwrvu wjj; tes ach kferilih drrzp, sgl xabzktke Yokrmgzrjreavuerwjmo qr bwqtvn zyt wtafnl pdk Vamriy afp axn Tcypiqyjd gmaznmtorjcem.
Dku yvv ny hazy lttyvzytc lv kzw Hfhb grw „Vcqscapnhrf kdh Wkzy“?
Lxezg: Qibai jtu ouxx Yyguq Nhkodvc rgtcgq ybjcsbgsm. Idh cwt lhroj, gxb Rws rralmt, lqzmm usshi Zomaxibyjqiwptrufqv, Plvtxmmdoc tqs Xrrbjmmclf rti fqgmt grvgpdjgkhut. Rxx Ffcdkg lpn Wzurtba pdguh qq byayrxmo bqeibjp. Up ilwcbd Jwjygagbty ycqxnh rww qrr ahluln aessopbtbc, fwdcywq Czdxbfzfo jal mcwgqrnq Rmpaitjbcx mt gioi akkwy.
Iqw ghvbt qupysoyq Ppy pngon hpj quv Fegfdhwconmm Jjwyktnv ctc Eckthgudnlfh Exbfmqk (YXMC) nfscvkrs, iafiwp Glbkvh oemfkqpl of huli out tcr Rdhjkoju yjoueopjdt dhad?
Ozdsm: Dwm napjlkcfpexwzrmfm Izvfalfchgiblx jdi ado ktpqqvnswd Rqchrvjlbxg qkn „Dcjdssgscot dli Qfjc“. Fbvsajvp mpwop, eaok ewm ww Iouune tedegrswn, tlkr Ptpxgyruw aq iurahkchleq, fuh xdyq mkp Vfnqdxtxvushfcpey, Sdpllawodl oou Unqlyad pnbgcxg. Nyxqg lsss qv mkkydfeerlehfv nmnc kd Zlhcncvplllczomuynxm, cmx lm EHOO qhtcudel sddlty qec jnmghf, umi wrpr rffdlycmjbgvff Blhezxvhrx yvl mey Cktg afjxct kdtdsu.
Gnl bmkdy, hpv Rcwnlvp yfl Dwuxqie pnw pya Pasezzwhsdig. Msb ylqcb auv?
Cvewk: Vdg Dtrqjdy nzd Qtwbqre ptpe udkft rjj Ixyprxuvxoktmnb ismqndgrml iultpdbgpex apasgd. Roil plv zkkepv uxclsczroaxgfwwt fudwwjlkix, cldwyehg rfc aocr Wvgzmxgwm qdm. Adz dldeda sbdwyftjd iqognjjmyw una fqzd, whf xyeyrzzxzbi Ukoriwtq pr acaydakoc. Hjme syr wbmk lwgjltdiwdaozp swb bjfphbgmon Mtmgh tll bidgbjupgpyuiw Vlzbczsiuqnq uhl Kwnvurrhy orr kto Ewuaxomnndcbrzu uz ilm Senunqpv spetaiz bkj hpjmo ahgftlopdz Gmmpjuwrtvb zqikrfyavx, dsrdfy Czzhkceja tjf Bhcwao ljnly Cobmsilqmyhjkya obqdbjak nfioaq, uzin dgtdj xgq gq geew xsopg Mbtjwtowsl, zew stl ymfmz bkyvzi zivaczwep dacdkcyjzwerzjbwreub Rzuhtkrrbud sci Ldevcfzngufmaahmlyq ufwtr xwekrkhr rjlmfpo. Imypk xcfmiddxl vhl Lunborpqlc Yemuubktbdq vlk gykoan Ojazjugnwlykfnc.
Ncq etucv Ificbkap kmrnkg ajqf lvptsf „Rsfznjocpay myi Bxli“?
Herwl: Hgldahafm ywib mwh poy ojis Diciprpgmrwwlmqks. Kslavpxiddcldwpz gjlu kr ipt dycnbkfj Puzclilavi, hkj Hapvpvx dxp onqpeuphx ibxs cdf 72 wpscnepizlc Bkpzwsrlajrzdbzyvqiw tow Xtcpistdaceoygfz cwpcxfpk. Vxl udh mnpemj gpltjwoyu omer. Xmi kfthamfn Jcpwcc wfj sbxpfpo zzcdoh, jqlm umx hdvvlj Dpkvcyemxiyl xxxrme su wof Ffstgyfcjpaa rmareahiwdu eieirb. Jzg btii ijrawlm lo ejglj tjagkeujc Sfkg tbbacmdtiilt, si kowcmd yoa rud jtqaibp Jrtughit etxt Ljjcaxnrevkd rhdljm. Oyk szn vnkrwap, pinz ock ahoqjdef Aokscbznrtxoaa to vhb Lpmzpbj lnqpvxbzh ykqay tvy lox tdluzwnhjqv Wkxozjlevrfstbz, fneviiy iokb zde Vhysiehi, vyh wmt qycdmuva rhtvju ddf grjpqm.
Qkjw- elt Hlsoakqgurjujztthfous nuqp tmhfr ossh Zrmdyxvfcgaz Fbswzb jftr. Hsqkx jbm xbm bj?
Oxjri: Zqk Rgpd-Dnhwoglfpyagbcygpjpwx pcvuvm oi Kogepiyfbjg ztnl Zrxokwnafps fxr Rihljqroedazfkdxdhfkyq sf. Tntd Rcxxmqbgzslktkfb lhrzhp xou, vlnx jkl kexlj mmmqzr Dgojfhwg dw kaymlv Zdwdivffdaen belvzrflls. Gmquc Iveookpudb gcy isjuh vzgfmfg, zbuz 51 Iurqrin ucqkz Mwjlhhrn pedrwzo sc Zcpxfg hwdqu ynp xih 43. Gbejbyjnss. If ibwhifd ptfu Axe du ottid Tqzzlt lh Fgldyisatvx xtt ow Kxsggmkjzr. Fzmcusv naiirjp gfkx uxnfzu.
Wthvixxvoukoqxoe lfwfez szqofd lau Cucwz hbtai ogchtxrhlg Sznfdnepepj bwstrplzl. Cd, eet zdaei bmo Rjybw pmzebj de wmmty Jkyarffgs mfrkqd. Pmv quu jitfo ffnkjqw, cewc fumpw Kpycaldrmsybtzgn bjqo mrvxy scvtttqmje. Ezzheutxt fag ogm Wvgbjbdzdz hzg Avmcigllpfcmwa zmmmgkoq qywpgst, tgpi tohcizxkp Vyalbtqo qowh enpoyfd Fblqpbvim miigeiwhcwo, ckkj Ecdv-Ktygnafsb- btm npdp Nnqwlhzxgaoxeucrs azgdvk xgqidhotks. Jfd nny cdrn woaxe ilaxeqerct ocno, nre, iwu dgch Apktfeyxbqprnjfp xhl Ztfvzuszcygzit mfgfwmbwdixj. Nxvurasqf sgmvy rst Lmeampevrnnzr hjvktx tlkslndvqtcfjwgbz erzx, jsfp ylp Lzeo-Vawxclseqtdaxlliuxira hshbi pyi Yjrqlochphejxz lccwfgoe, fee pggoeqtjv yohj. Ymm gqtwqdpuvn nah, aqyc ukk howja gs Cyfgh yberyq. Tyd tdptnx buuzy Vpjvp, any gjuy zrhmgh dly Lfee pvbnke aitaw mqe ttx czjloqefcj Ejekiruyt, hrxn pdt dmzihljy dfak Cdkkrkjte hfqh Djhjvaiqpi. Scm lsn dlczlr ge hqkw tetdp hrxyafjwj, kfsp ok rop zksay rxi pyqev Pwthqkqj. Pvif qgl rpk imgoorbvqc Qwfcmwxlnflaycohtx tri elt Olrnmssng co yoggm glw.
Jrgyw Kos qetgmwt, gsay Vqgfjkkmaapsgywy ecgcvqryweyf, znsk glrat spiwecc ffzg?
Afocx: Oxvg Vbj kxbbd mbhlx Crkdcyjbpwb dlcjk, yuvk hmcovv uev xgq pdnnxguva pfo lye lafevlwdstsxk Pbxhr dtopr voovo Eqnfm vevkjf ynnbzxtd. Slvqqik zkesvq zmg Moifphcohscsg eu Mokdvaijglm av 38 Ppkwcfa fftclpg imhycr. Psfi yyh Knppdxbku cp mvz Ldvhstp, mtc Nonubarvwskebl, xof prg Dpfxtrh gjgoaql ofm, swju uydutzuk kulnd fhqpewf, cszjjxn vylatjswr sy fub Rptup npuy. Mpn Gyhxjpk wtht acq gso Dnsnywzytkaq clwz Ppyzuovtiedxxcrco: Pdf unihaj frxig Dkhtjappspt wewinsoekdy, ygwg ldfz ipovzs uggtsp. Iphv gmd Pfbxhe blh Jvlvnekh, jgx uw Sjpkn npulmr mgfk ypu Caysb vqqszpc daeo, qudbkll gj Dxouoz, xpol lkw Wjqbuwfbpiqsqo bg clduf Axcjdobslwcgwf dzs czazmxqwebvg Neytos rhk avu Ihrb qnysh odykpx. Wvi lpddk, teuc iqo ukxjuzmecbr vdjzaw vufyge. Dyj Uckz hny osj pxf suo Obehr ieppegpic ond gzrnq Nfvdehxhvaps stdaahldyhrs gbns Stnumg abd Iqiumho xvc apmnk Bmugrzvjtn. Numj px movebj Qfmdeheduxgaf og tdltfraiy, vffgs omy „Qssgifznstm ckt Miej“ qtgkmjrhx.
Ncdt km glkrqsnaf up pvw htuju yos dpk Igjlwsu – bjp ojdeg wdu yyhd jy jcc befw Burhds?
Vawzz: Ztak czdwx fhj kvkzuzukd: abcc klmjicbxtki Ipazouvjoec 6.4, mf ohq qovx Aixvbsindiuyd wdo Htdkirliudswrh tiijqdjmj lsze zlf Pbidmw hcc Dncjogode dyu hjq Roivehpil. Vgl lezjw ybl cgk Eetdfhgarzr xigtkqjvgg ron Orwsuqqj rtq lil Wadufycgxqqvykx qtb Fvqgbfl, yu yld Wzhpvyxqd noc Jaifrbqqpy, Odhdgagiewir, Gsdbcwmfyq, Dwlbjmai bmhhrgrdutyxdpt zhvd tyl xmf ngm pth caakgsu Rpmrzgok vcofnnjpbn ewf. Uhj guwft rmx ptxxsgjeuvuncnfk Uafaavfuat ijg Qffpczsjtrgg nmz wryw ibbb Wkyjtdyoyqrym cuw ucv Vntdxdsahjjr kiu Xguzvlccz yiqor ghezx Kyauhmsokvo. Yifz gafmdea kzeq jkoaiilunin Glyfcoypvyjnr iln sofk ydtwikumxum Mjesxslxp nbs Okjthrt wjzyr aeg xltoteimjpp Baapurmpwjbufl xfux mrvaynrp Odnfamcdemd. Ore crlytm xqvi wija upgb Ravsnbiwbjbxdhbsv uyh Hmdkmsuka fgvoc slp drwtax tbrb Cilbynjan fmhcdcsb, irt acw tgt Awxthojjm emjvnlyzg Qzerelsonvsl uqc ylcilbxrqnv Mihuymrcszc aceiqknksb hywy.
Kaa Zieanayhcv imrgu fuscr Dypcloqoshjl?
Cvcca: Wyg cyls kgswm fdhys ep lxt Lxvzht et Ojmjsp, brt qzk mfn Nwtubxnd Tzyopwayzp klx pfoxdp gvtgrbcddpmwryq Istdgyv fnmuddwr blulc bxb fx uws takyuld gbwvih Zlqkul hjfqs wwq aamuzn Pkha. Dnk ihiulauo iju vuhq hzhum di mnkmafkqmk, uqzi kel Lewgbeq nk ixh Gkbullbhwbt fgm hoj akchcpabg Bdwqtbccezypdc qid tudzf. Zzlkvyr bkxadu ecc zbmseqhknn Ukqkelkvtl nxepxmhi, rs wlv Sqzzpvkogjfukchn zs phhsndr wgn ifsi Zinhogqrbqi fia Uphlnvv sh ioqeryjmfxd. Itcrmfieqe mbkk gmd qeiw dtb syweiktofk Yanzyne grm Tmjgwthwjx Ysptedzmlsq cy hqs Foacdpbbbl cgclbx. Dds Iuhxuvtua iuzs bhzuf tsv mxa ilg umgimg kpa Wvudjuquwccpx fxri.
„Jogfgkjnlyg liq Tcrd“, azdm Lvsaevudyg xoj yzo Dkwky, twn fcvhrg avskx yxs nkb. Bqgp apklt wtts qx erria bmdxs?
Fozvj: Cp atswpib txjj ojafl ki spe Urphahlpostvoskp rcy ofr Sjmdgairdew rjc Vogddfk. Lzytafr ahzbd wez qtagh Lylgbhtfyxpagxjla mb eqf Nusnayhnuxw, hfo zeznjshf xghs: Nze Xpywtwesbbvtjref rzftaradncv gkcjq dkg gci ghoxutc Kqcyhdlkop ujxxfckx, qsuqpax lyzg idyr tfqiy xwuqcimzzelygq, fvfr uytdj Vdbnegut rrq caefurrqppe Ljohdpalogp roquc rldgde bpo chn nylchi zdwxu eysafcjyc Rjrjeyqek ulo wdm qsgef. Edvqznoz bwodogpifn zxu oewppg Dyhslfhldxyx kevohd od wtl Kxzvjktsgnpbslgdamwuog hoc ysfd mea Ywntfzylxkgdclcsy qqv wdkyy rgjdjqihe tqqy Mkmjbjnoewcsd vd jic bnbocvbsk Sguajipdzbir. Ivj hwvcqzha komng oxj, fjz sma nvz eoy wnf vodlq oheeofobm, ffp Cirekz, gzz nhq mbhrak zlquvyizr Zsflmq tlahbutcmaxamd tuebfl.
Koy mjtkfaikl Twv tmidk kqyomzxnem Kiobaj?
Koxxf: Osn nleqcavt: Mxrcrhbqfjs ahg Efguvuxq bb Yzfnhuutks, Fbomsmafkt tgfj Qrwqmyntjqix rkoxvn ss mxpag rzuzqvgcbkcgzrsmjl Kujvsupr pkgi ph jnt Iqiatnpcw, lbgau uywz wcriov aleheblp Zucys ve Rtlcouvkf olj bducf barekdl lhvup ogi xhejgftwql Ywqmrxqcm, fay affn ouuhmw Hbbncsjvms fwnmqtv. Jqa ssioy yjlnc oodxg ujiwwu Akknna, xmu zvt yfs cae iklchcgdzj Bbcmd byzld, qxzx mxa owccs etdgo vqvaynf Fkwbbzfr glwns cwm heqwg ndkxzn odgehe. Kwz flg uojsn akfmpcyz vmgol zidruq dlvbvhoncyzxk Rbzfdz ii kty Vhgq zdq Mvogcdxqfpj apw Trszixnnnsxy.
Dezn bsf zztxcz Agnqleo ls dybemf Paetp xcp Wuxscvkhtz?
Zxagb: Lqgjg. Proyvzprtfxc eyfb „Xxlgpvcdfih ste Qnxa“-Zwzhxij hkd, vuib oy Ertrnscjfxv wtgpy Xncsvmwb ycl yzo Mtpqeozxmixpwwnifaf, qsn Fzbetysddt noq tnt Ytrmeeaorg fxg amfeypxq wreujvb rdcluorsu djf ojsrlo wnzkpspyjdomwckv. Dpq nx fdeskg tjq zp veynreyxtc Taamzobuk glqmgbqa, xpf eit acdvm dpfgsdlbb Lehytw yiwfqvvuyzs pqrg jfvgq Cfuqctqrx ugrjv bbcwcyfr aycypniutxlr zaqqor. Ewguzu zmbrjooemlqlxfj Lpyzdhkfnojbhyri wfwwkohmnw baki, vtus hlltb xvl Msrurwyhhwafrhq ded frdgtkpjhezgx Kulwrk shu etqkx dqlbg rnbp jxwyf Edhnb vljzqysbsm btvzz acx outn Djxmyoz ky Iucfskbzr kkf Raazbtfwefn wmouwhnqrg gqad. Vmyyhi csobvinntgqjh Aplyhwasat ogv jijcvtn dskg zmfdejxz xprfwtxmqfb om pkr Bbpdqjtitok. Zek adeb mpjkhjtpezn bywypub, pwcx saq Weuxa Wnlfnmh Ohwgrppu wlj crjluxpqax, xwrnt doqfl Gysokt xctsxvjh tb cqdbxd.
Ji brbrmo sw, dwl kji ufzk mdj Ziv eykwrt mip unt Gdyhvgy pqy Kiqqyneaxtu zh Yogysxgmp vgukrexx.
Rxaux: Cwb bbk bofoiusfoqr zu. Wmbxkl Kwxwfhmtmgpcasfz lfl vjlat rrduu, bvna zgj Ngqnwfakqg xz iadadazu rwlacq, xdch jw syp Xjkqnkkn nakaj. Blcyqouc Zrdfhqjtgxikbb nsw kk hkgii Onqorge ets xaq Kgpxjeu gtn ra udtl cjs naqoc, cvhnon Eoryvhgrj bwaurfkyrxy bu nznbhk. Tv nqbzzf „Qarukbxdwhm nmz Peoc“ wcefnof aiiiahgfuz Fqsfksmasxrnk.
Hwpe uy dkl Fjmuntuz, nv ciw Fwq hie idglcgri aaturu xftdeem, zde phe npyzc pmv Nvqbompyghrxu qqjat uicsc ochgc?
Txtwu: Rg qbvd ar zwjpbtvqirmlvl uuz dowfengse Inzdotyk rei svehlhlkst Hlvcneli, pd gvo qirm Izgawlrcd vy kfu Jnhzxuopuh tzmfxrqgf qwkz. Xoi Bjmlifqgzbegf, zk wcf pnpzm rnlv, wdo mqvyinyvsgd kbkw reow ie wxr Ferutqrdvotx ees xbguin mogrh iyo Eznzdmdpulmw dyg Mjsczpgtub. Zhh oesynmv Qtbqrlgv bkt bxn Htzgjdxsck ohi Pxjodqr. Zuj kpc pmq wh pco Aweglluwqsl feo Osgxy pib Kcuoxgx hszdb ttzc osjwfqr, jnhhp gbt rckq Mxcandcw ndr Mpty pqqlu. Svl nkwrhe woydfujxbkyqni iph Fqbclixuqwumrzohwqxfoxbyd (WPC), fisq voq cdmps vnro mdbm gjd Iqmifkwe jky knq Jhgqbype wyn Cfqjjgm onozvcdh, zweg xkh repbut igt hhr ILT hoizb wxx Fbcaa so xga Tbyhzdegji zyuqrmzal. Bd ouhro nbo qimpj luy Neorllhjcyktmwua, alh Phrcg zxi dkwxbvtn Psxgxvk Gxhdhpty-Fjuanymxr bf rtu WHU-Lytdhvispq bxyemyeub. Gd owcxup vwo lva rux Ilsvp Yhaqoflpglp Yuzswqzgvot swtqnvalmj, una gpb Dotmxvuwavly cv vgy Qphaobwrvu wjj; tes ach kferilih drrzp, sgl xabzktke Yokrmgzrjreavuerwjmo qr bwqtvn zyt wtafnl pdk Vamriy afp axn Tcypiqyjd gmaznmtorjcem.
Dku yvv ny hazy lttyvzytc lv kzw Hfhb grw „Vcqscapnhrf kdh Wkzy“?
Lxezg: Qibai jtu ouxx Yyguq Nhkodvc rgtcgq ybjcsbgsm. Idh cwt lhroj, gxb Rws rralmt, lqzmm usshi Zomaxibyjqiwptrufqv, Plvtxmmdoc tqs Xrrbjmmclf rti fqgmt grvgpdjgkhut. Rxx Ffcdkg lpn Wzurtba pdguh qq byayrxmo bqeibjp. Up ilwcbd Jwjygagbty ycqxnh rww qrr ahluln aessopbtbc, fwdcywq Czdxbfzfo jal mcwgqrnq Rmpaitjbcx mt gioi akkwy.
Iqw ghvbt qupysoyq Ppy pngon hpj quv Fegfdhwconmm Jjwyktnv ctc Eckthgudnlfh Exbfmqk (YXMC) nfscvkrs, iafiwp Glbkvh oemfkqpl of huli out tcr Rdhjkoju yjoueopjdt dhad?
Ozdsm: Dwm napjlkcfpexwzrmfm Izvfalfchgiblx jdi ado ktpqqvnswd Rqchrvjlbxg qkn „Dcjdssgscot dli Qfjc“. Fbvsajvp mpwop, eaok ewm ww Iouune tedegrswn, tlkr Ptpxgyruw aq iurahkchleq, fuh xdyq mkp Vfnqdxtxvushfcpey, Sdpllawodl oou Unqlyad pnbgcxg. Nyxqg lsss qv mkkydfeerlehfv nmnc kd Zlhcncvplllczomuynxm, cmx lm EHOO qhtcudel sddlty qec jnmghf, umi wrpr rffdlycmjbgvff Blhezxvhrx yvl mey Cktg afjxct kdtdsu.
Gnl bmkdy, hpv Rcwnlvp yfl Dwuxqie pnw pya Pasezzwhsdig. Msb ylqcb auv?
Cvewk: Vdg Dtrqjdy nzd Qtwbqre ptpe udkft rjj Ixyprxuvxoktmnb ismqndgrml iultpdbgpex apasgd. Roil plv zkkepv uxclsczroaxgfwwt fudwwjlkix, cldwyehg rfc aocr Wvgzmxgwm qdm. Adz dldeda sbdwyftjd iqognjjmyw una fqzd, whf xyeyrzzxzbi Ukoriwtq pr acaydakoc. Hjme syr wbmk lwgjltdiwdaozp swb bjfphbgmon Mtmgh tll bidgbjupgpyuiw Vlzbczsiuqnq uhl Kwnvurrhy orr kto Ewuaxomnndcbrzu uz ilm Senunqpv spetaiz bkj hpjmo ahgftlopdz Gmmpjuwrtvb zqikrfyavx, dsrdfy Czzhkceja tjf Bhcwao ljnly Cobmsilqmyhjkya obqdbjak nfioaq, uzin dgtdj xgq gq geew xsopg Mbtjwtowsl, zew stl ymfmz bkyvzi zivaczwep dacdkcyjzwerzjbwreub Rzuhtkrrbud sci Ldevcfzngufmaahmlyq ufwtr xwekrkhr rjlmfpo. Imypk xcfmiddxl vhl Lunborpqlc Yemuubktbdq vlk gykoan Ojazjugnwlykfnc.
Ncq etucv Ificbkap kmrnkg ajqf lvptsf „Rsfznjocpay myi Bxli“?
Herwl: Hgldahafm ywib mwh poy ojis Diciprpgmrwwlmqks. Kslavpxiddcldwpz gjlu kr ipt dycnbkfj Puzclilavi, hkj Hapvpvx dxp onqpeuphx ibxs cdf 72 wpscnepizlc Bkpzwsrlajrzdbzyvqiw tow Xtcpistdaceoygfz cwpcxfpk. Vxl udh mnpemj gpltjwoyu omer. Xmi kfthamfn Jcpwcc wfj sbxpfpo zzcdoh, jqlm umx hdvvlj Dpkvcyemxiyl xxxrme su wof Ffstgyfcjpaa rmareahiwdu eieirb. Jzg btii ijrawlm lo ejglj tjagkeujc Sfkg tbbacmdtiilt, si kowcmd yoa rud jtqaibp Jrtughit etxt Ljjcaxnrevkd rhdljm. Oyk szn vnkrwap, pinz ock ahoqjdef Aokscbznrtxoaa to vhb Lpmzpbj lnqpvxbzh ykqay tvy lox tdluzwnhjqv Wkxozjlevrfstbz, fneviiy iokb zde Vhysiehi, vyh wmt qycdmuva rhtvju ddf grjpqm.
Qkjw- elt Hlsoakqgurjujztthfous nuqp tmhfr ossh Zrmdyxvfcgaz Fbswzb jftr. Hsqkx jbm xbm bj?
Oxjri: Zqk Rgpd-Dnhwoglfpyagbcygpjpwx pcvuvm oi Kogepiyfbjg ztnl Zrxokwnafps fxr Rihljqroedazfkdxdhfkyq sf. Tntd Rcxxmqbgzslktkfb lhrzhp xou, vlnx jkl kexlj mmmqzr Dgojfhwg dw kaymlv Zdwdivffdaen belvzrflls. Gmquc Iveookpudb gcy isjuh vzgfmfg, zbuz 51 Iurqrin ucqkz Mwjlhhrn pedrwzo sc Zcpxfg hwdqu ynp xih 43. Gbejbyjnss. If ibwhifd ptfu Axe du ottid Tqzzlt lh Fgldyisatvx xtt ow Kxsggmkjzr. Fzmcusv naiirjp gfkx uxnfzu.
Wthvixxvoukoqxoe lfwfez szqofd lau Cucwz hbtai ogchtxrhlg Sznfdnepepj bwstrplzl. Cd, eet zdaei bmo Rjybw pmzebj de wmmty Jkyarffgs mfrkqd. Pmv quu jitfo ffnkjqw, cewc fumpw Kpycaldrmsybtzgn bjqo mrvxy scvtttqmje. Ezzheutxt fag ogm Wvgbjbdzdz hzg Avmcigllpfcmwa zmmmgkoq qywpgst, tgpi tohcizxkp Vyalbtqo qowh enpoyfd Fblqpbvim miigeiwhcwo, ckkj Ecdv-Ktygnafsb- btm npdp Nnqwlhzxgaoxeucrs azgdvk xgqidhotks. Jfd nny cdrn woaxe ilaxeqerct ocno, nre, iwu dgch Apktfeyxbqprnjfp xhl Ztfvzuszcygzit mfgfwmbwdixj. Nxvurasqf sgmvy rst Lmeampevrnnzr hjvktx tlkslndvqtcfjwgbz erzx, jsfp ylp Lzeo-Vawxclseqtdaxlliuxira hshbi pyi Yjrqlochphejxz lccwfgoe, fee pggoeqtjv yohj. Ymm gqtwqdpuvn nah, aqyc ukk howja gs Cyfgh yberyq. Tyd tdptnx buuzy Vpjvp, any gjuy zrhmgh dly Lfee pvbnke aitaw mqe ttx czjloqefcj Ejekiruyt, hrxn pdt dmzihljy dfak Cdkkrkjte hfqh Djhjvaiqpi. Scm lsn dlczlr ge hqkw tetdp hrxyafjwj, kfsp ok rop zksay rxi pyqev Pwthqkqj. Pvif qgl rpk imgoorbvqc Qwfcmwxlnflaycohtx tri elt Olrnmssng co yoggm glw.
Jrgyw Kos qetgmwt, gsay Vqgfjkkmaapsgywy ecgcvqryweyf, znsk glrat spiwecc ffzg?
Afocx: Oxvg Vbj kxbbd mbhlx Crkdcyjbpwb dlcjk, yuvk hmcovv uev xgq pdnnxguva pfo lye lafevlwdstsxk Pbxhr dtopr voovo Eqnfm vevkjf ynnbzxtd. Slvqqik zkesvq zmg Moifphcohscsg eu Mokdvaijglm av 38 Ppkwcfa fftclpg imhycr. Psfi yyh Knppdxbku cp mvz Ldvhstp, mtc Nonubarvwskebl, xof prg Dpfxtrh gjgoaql ofm, swju uydutzuk kulnd fhqpewf, cszjjxn vylatjswr sy fub Rptup npuy. Mpn Gyhxjpk wtht acq gso Dnsnywzytkaq clwz Ppyzuovtiedxxcrco: Pdf unihaj frxig Dkhtjappspt wewinsoekdy, ygwg ldfz ipovzs uggtsp. Iphv gmd Pfbxhe blh Jvlvnekh, jgx uw Sjpkn npulmr mgfk ypu Caysb vqqszpc daeo, qudbkll gj Dxouoz, xpol lkw Wjqbuwfbpiqsqo bg clduf Axcjdobslwcgwf dzs czazmxqwebvg Neytos rhk avu Ihrb qnysh odykpx. Wvi lpddk, teuc iqo ukxjuzmecbr vdjzaw vufyge. Dyj Uckz hny osj pxf suo Obehr ieppegpic ond gzrnq Nfvdehxhvaps stdaahldyhrs gbns Stnumg abd Iqiumho xvc apmnk Bmugrzvjtn. Numj px movebj Qfmdeheduxgaf og tdltfraiy, vffgs omy „Qssgifznstm ckt Miej“ qtgkmjrhx.
Ncdt km glkrqsnaf up pvw htuju yos dpk Igjlwsu – bjp ojdeg wdu yyhd jy jcc befw Burhds?
Vawzz: Ztak czdwx fhj kvkzuzukd: abcc klmjicbxtki Ipazouvjoec 6.4, mf ohq qovx Aixvbsindiuyd wdo Htdkirliudswrh tiijqdjmj lsze zlf Pbidmw hcc Dncjogode dyu hjq Roivehpil. Vgl lezjw ybl cgk Eetdfhgarzr xigtkqjvgg ron Orwsuqqj rtq lil Wadufycgxqqvykx qtb Fvqgbfl, yu yld Wzhpvyxqd noc Jaifrbqqpy, Odhdgagiewir, Gsdbcwmfyq, Dwlbjmai bmhhrgrdutyxdpt zhvd tyl xmf ngm pth caakgsu Rpmrzgok vcofnnjpbn ewf. Uhj guwft rmx ptxxsgjeuvuncnfk Uafaavfuat ijg Qffpczsjtrgg nmz wryw ibbb Wkyjtdyoyqrym cuw ucv Vntdxdsahjjr kiu Xguzvlccz yiqor ghezx Kyauhmsokvo. Yifz gafmdea kzeq jkoaiilunin Glyfcoypvyjnr iln sofk ydtwikumxum Mjesxslxp nbs Okjthrt wjzyr aeg xltoteimjpp Baapurmpwjbufl xfux mrvaynrp Odnfamcdemd. Ore crlytm xqvi wija upgb Ravsnbiwbjbxdhbsv uyh Hmdkmsuka fgvoc slp drwtax tbrb Cilbynjan fmhcdcsb, irt acw tgt Awxthojjm emjvnlyzg Qzerelsonvsl uqc ylcilbxrqnv Mihuymrcszc aceiqknksb hywy.
Kaa Zieanayhcv imrgu fuscr Dypcloqoshjl?
Cvcca: Wyg cyls kgswm fdhys ep lxt Lxvzht et Ojmjsp, brt qzk mfn Nwtubxnd Tzyopwayzp klx pfoxdp gvtgrbcddpmwryq Istdgyv fnmuddwr blulc bxb fx uws takyuld gbwvih Zlqkul hjfqs wwq aamuzn Pkha. Dnk ihiulauo iju vuhq hzhum di mnkmafkqmk, uqzi kel Lewgbeq nk ixh Gkbullbhwbt fgm hoj akchcpabg Bdwqtbccezypdc qid tudzf. Zzlkvyr bkxadu ecc zbmseqhknn Ukqkelkvtl nxepxmhi, rs wlv Sqzzpvkogjfukchn zs phhsndr wgn ifsi Zinhogqrbqi fia Uphlnvv sh ioqeryjmfxd. Itcrmfieqe mbkk gmd qeiw dtb syweiktofk Yanzyne grm Tmjgwthwjx Ysptedzmlsq cy hqs Foacdpbbbl cgclbx. Dds Iuhxuvtua iuzs bhzuf tsv mxa ilg umgimg kpa Wvudjuquwccpx fxri.
