Für Durchbrüche in der Wissenschaft müssen manchmal neben individuellen Geistesblitzen und den notwendigen Mitteln auch die richtigen Menschen aufeinandertreffen. Das ist bei Tim Landgraf und Randolf Menzel gewiss der Fall. Gemeinsam sind dem Professor der Informatik und dem Professor der Neurobiologie das Interesse an Robotik und Bienen sowie die Begeisterung für die Intelligenz dieser spannenden Insekten. Mit einem von der Klaus Tschira Stiftung geförderten Projekt hat das Team um die beiden Spitzenforscher Licht ins Dunkel um die neuronalen Grundlagen der Bienennavigation und die inneren „Landkarten“ dieser Schwarmwesen gebracht. Sie haben hierfür mit Hilfe von Drohnen einen experimentellen Weg gefunden, der bn upg Conwustu ioe jhisp syr wkbybimus xjhemjbu vzfkk. Knx ml uqxdd coh sbda dgo, yvmvebpe fba euijqi nd Cbnkirapf.
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