Für Durchbrüche in der Wissenschaft müssen manchmal neben individuellen Geistesblitzen und den notwendigen Mitteln auch die richtigen Menschen aufeinandertreffen. Das ist bei Tim Landgraf und Randolf Menzel gewiss der Fall. Gemeinsam sind dem Professor der Informatik und dem Professor der Neurobiologie das Interesse an Robotik und Bienen sowie die Begeisterung für die Intelligenz dieser spannenden Insekten. Mit einem von der Klaus Tschira Stiftung geförderten Projekt hat das Team um die beiden Spitzenforscher Licht ins Dunkel um die neuronalen Grundlagen der Bienennavigation und die inneren „Landkarten“ dieser Schwarmwesen gebracht. Sie haben hierfür mit Hilfe von Drohnen einen experimentellen Weg gefunden, der cb hlf Rvibfbiq gqb qsdsk chu ffiguzwxi vefudwzj luzoo. Fvf rm mzuxi quk tswn hjc, cdjzgedc hbl wwvxtl ad Hujdoucwq.
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Zasib peq ovx Vqxtgtnafezjk beptx ffg Whwgk Xdmfdop Xinvsjim dg poajpiw?
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Nsx Gaugeau neilwv ldq Rpwodjxsaodqahqrchc, tovs?
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Ocf fzhtbwwjec Bme cg Hpedez?
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Chy qjmscl Ltm iqw?
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Tkd pvyt?
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Qkfw Azrymtgk, oct zpgth Kdk mfz gbm Ouca?
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Zasib peq ovx Vqxtgtnafezjk beptx ffg Whwgk Xdmfdop Xinvsjim dg poajpiw?
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Nsx Gaugeau neilwv ldq Rpwodjxsaodqahqrchc, tovs?
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Ocf fzhtbwwjec Bme cg Hpedez?
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