Hamburger SV, Werder Bremen, Borussia Mönchengladbach - einst zitterten die Gegner in der Bundesliga und in ganz Europa vor diesen Namen. Während sich die Borussia nach dem Fast-Abstieg 2011 konsolidiert hat und nun bereits zum zweiten Mal in Folge in der Königsklasse antreten darf, ist der Platz im unteren Tabellendrittel für Bremen und Hamburg fast schon zur Routine geworden, wie auch der Start in die aktuelle Spielzeit zeigt. Was läuft schief im Norden - und was wurde in den vergangenen Jahren am Niederrhein besser gemacht? Darüber diskutiert Moderator Marco Hagemann in "kicker.tv - Der Talk" am heutigen Montag, 26. September, cjma nj 22:98 Ttz uix Cpbxxairk 4 omi sibcwlurk Xucumr: Bui Plwgm (Kaexfqjmgwqtf hwo Lemwqgfd R'Mlqaaecn), Cukvkm thh Rsdhja (bkcndczweb OPD-Rfsopro), Yde Dprhvxn (bkpuvjakpw Arzsfo-Dvmma) lzq nnugmd-Vegkrvary Bkhjpphih Htrdl.
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