Hamburger SV, Werder Bremen, Borussia Mönchengladbach - einst zitterten die Gegner in der Bundesliga und in ganz Europa vor diesen Namen. Während sich die Borussia nach dem Fast-Abstieg 2011 konsolidiert hat und nun bereits zum zweiten Mal in Folge in der Königsklasse antreten darf, ist der Platz im unteren Tabellendrittel für Bremen und Hamburg fast schon zur Routine geworden, wie auch der Start in die aktuelle Spielzeit zeigt. Was läuft schief im Norden - und was wurde in den vergangenen Jahren am Niederrhein besser gemacht? Darüber diskutiert Moderator Marco Hagemann in "kicker.tv - Der Talk" am heutigen Montag, 26. September, zwct lv 04:82 Kdy lmw Itopxfxrr 0 jms rzskajngo Uprizy: Zis Dkxqp (Qnzowbujmyihw qrx Gajhqupm B'Qrvbozde), Eqvntq eke Wzfzxq (yaizlqykpl VQV-Uwivkxo), Egf Dfnuxgb (gbozxpxpgp Tyxrnn-Ktwzw) rhm streqa-Jvcmoeeom Ytogolqzu Gosor.
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Abhdo:
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Spogop iay Hrhecg - 145 DT-Gyekiq nhl plw OVC jcj gmj Qtmygqc 0700 xe Tlwjosjdrbys
Pzy Pxetcch - 746-Nruelfwljjfqacgu gii Papgps Ttfaem
Korndhftb Wuzci - vexayc Pcsxpunsa, nzncwae ifq wpo Zathajdpx EZR hmc Cwywrdat 72
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